FOOD FOR SERIOUS THOUGHT!!

[Didjman]

Hi all,
the following link is sobering to say the least:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-14/t ... 70/3887672" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its about a report released today by the CSIRO.
Peter

[nafets]

Yes it is! Maybe we should show this to AV... hahahah lol

[Anthony Violi]

Print it out and it makes good toilet paper. Remind me how the CSIRO predictions are coming along. I can and will destroy this report in 10 minutes. But not now as im busy. First though, the Co2 myth is just trash, nothing more nothing less. The amount of data adjustment worldwide that has occured to try to make the argument stick is preposterous, and a criminal act, nothing less. Those responsible should be beheaded, as would happen in some countries.

This whole fantasy is going to be the start of (a) World war 3, and (b) a global depression worse than the 1930s.

So first lets visit Co2 levels.



Hmm, i see, temps and Co2 historically low. Goodbye man made argument. And goodbye hysterical headline about the highest in 800,000 years being related to mankind.

Now lets check the projection of the climate models, and you can see why the models are completely bogus, because of the horse manure that climate scientists put into them. Also, on a side note, that why EC has been way off its usually almost flawless self lately.



So, as you can see, if we had cut emissions to "ZERO", which we havent, we are way UNDER that point of the projection. In fact, we have increased emissions since 2000 at some 21%. And yet we are still cooling, and havent warmed since 1998.



So, to the benefit of those who are either naive or uneducated, when you have orginaisations like the CSIRO or the BOM or even the government for that matter making special climate statements like this one, it would be wise to actually consider all the facts first. These are payed orginisations who seek funding, and have agendas.

So Peter, thanks for raising this important topic, its good to show how inept and deluded the CSIRO actually are. In the other report the CSIRO published some years back, they were "90% sure Co2 was causing the current warming."

Unfortunately, temps are stable since 1998, unless your Phil Jones or Michael Mann or James Hansen and adjust data ad nauseam.

[mick]

Everything man made is increasing in the atmosphere and a lot that is natural.

At the end of the day, nothing will change until oil runs out. LNG will replace that and the cycle increases will continue. London had about 10,000 killed in the great smog of 1952. If we dont wipe ourselves out with Nuclear energy of one kind or another, man and the planet will eventually choke to death. Every species becomes extinct, we will be no different.

[crikey]

When l was at uni many years ago we were being taught we had reached the peak of fossil fuel availability and the projection was for fossil fuels to be all used up in 30 years
I read an article the other day indicating that the melting arctic circle was the next realm for exploration of fossil fuels
I noticed that Vic is going ahead with more coal mining to export to India and the new Qld premier has ordered the dismantling of green projects associated with climate change because we will have a carbon tax ..
I think we need to hope the CSIRO is incorrect in their prognosis of human induced climate change because l can't see mankind being able to control atmospheric pollutants
It would be comforting to be a skeptic of CSIRO prophecy as we could continue the way we are without implication.
However. I have concerns that we have only scratched the surface of human induced climate modification.. Never on this planet has 70 billion people released mega tonnes of energy and chemicals in such a short time span of the earths history.
I believe we are in uncharted territory
The CSIRO attempts to map the changes to the troposphere and stratosphere and its implications for our weather..

[Anthony Violi]

I think we need to hope David Archibald and Leif Svalgaard are incorrect, as we will all be frozen solid with no food.

[Anthony Violi]

Good to see 49 astronauts, engineers and NASA workers telling NASA they are corrupt, embarrased and should stop using climate models that are so far from reality that its absurd.

When your own tell you that you are an embarrasment to the scientific community, you really should listen.

So Pete, send the CSIRO a copy of this letter and tell them they are either corrupt, or just dumb.

And furthermore, Hansen has contiued to adjust data unabated, now Envistat has corrupted the sea level rise graphs as well.

there is no shame for these criminals, eventually they will all rot in jail, justa matter of time.


March 28, 2012
The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001
Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science
CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

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